Hi, My jobs never seem to run at some sites: VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk See http://pprc.qmul.ac.uk/~lloyd/gridpp/gridtests/diractest.html for more details. Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hi Steve, Unfortunately you hit a quirk of a multi-VO dirac instance. Bear with me, this is slightly lengthy: In principle the dirac-admin-get-site-mask (no, I don't know why users should ever use a command with the word 'admin' in either) should show all sites available to a VO. If you run this command you will notice LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk is missing. This is because Sheffield does not support pilot roles for any VO and hence cannot run any jobs submitted via dirac[*]. LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk is in the list. They do support pilot roles for the snoplus VO, but not gridpp, but snoplus needs all the resources it can get, so we left the site turned on [**]. We follow these problems up in GGUS tickets, but sites can drag their heels for months on end. About the VAC sites: I can see from the admin interface that neither VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk nor VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk run any gridpp jobs directly submitted to them. The bad thing is, I can't even tell from the admin interface if they should be able to. I will ask Andrew McN about this off the list and cc you on the email. TLDR: In this case dirac probably does know best and won't let you submit a job at a site where it wouldn't run. Unfortunately the reasons for this are not necessarily obvious to the user (and in a lot of cases to the admins as well...) [*] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=114460 [**] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=118289 Regards, Daniela On 2 March 2016 at 16:40, Steve Lloyd <s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi, My jobs never seem to run at some sites:
VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk
See http://pprc.qmul.ac.uk/~lloyd/gridpp/gridtests/diractest.html for more details.
Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Hi Daniela, Thanks. Is there any way of finding out which sites are enabled for a given VO i.e. gridpp? Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 3 Mar 2016, at 11:47, Daniela Bauer <daniela.bauer.grid@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Unfortunately you hit a quirk of a multi-VO dirac instance. Bear with me, this is slightly lengthy:
In principle the dirac-admin-get-site-mask (no, I don't know why users should ever use a command with the word 'admin' in either) should show all sites available to a VO. If you run this command you will notice LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk is missing. This is because Sheffield does not support pilot roles for any VO and hence cannot run any jobs submitted via dirac[*]. LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk is in the list. They do support pilot roles for the snoplus VO, but not gridpp, but snoplus needs all the resources it can get, so we left the site turned on [**]. We follow these problems up in GGUS tickets, but sites can drag their heels for months on end.
About the VAC sites: I can see from the admin interface that neither VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk nor VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk run any gridpp jobs directly submitted to them. The bad thing is, I can't even tell from the admin interface if they should be able to. I will ask Andrew McN about this off the list and cc you on the email.
TLDR: In this case dirac probably does know best and won't let you submit a job at a site where it wouldn't run. Unfortunately the reasons for this are not necessarily obvious to the user (and in a lot of cases to the admins as well...)
[*] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=114460 [**] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=118289
Regards, Daniela
On 2 March 2016 at 16:40, Steve Lloyd <s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk> wrote: Hi, My jobs never seem to run at some sites:
VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk
See http://pprc.qmul.ac.uk/~lloyd/gridpp/gridtests/diractest.html for more details.
Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Hi Steve, right now, unfortunately not. dirac-admin-get-site-mask (run from inside the dirac ui) just shows all the sites that are enabled as we can't do enabling/disabling on VO level. A VO based version is on the wish list. Regards, Daniela On 3 March 2016 at 13:16, Steve Lloyd <s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Daniela, Thanks. Is there any way of finding out which sites are enabled for a given VO i.e. gridpp? Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 3 Mar 2016, at 11:47, Daniela Bauer < daniela.bauer.grid@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Unfortunately you hit a quirk of a multi-VO dirac instance. Bear with me, this is slightly lengthy:
In principle the dirac-admin-get-site-mask (no, I don't know why users should ever use a command with the word 'admin' in either) should show all sites available to a VO. If you run this command you will notice LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk is missing. This is because Sheffield does not support pilot roles for any VO and hence cannot run any jobs submitted via dirac[*]. LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk is in the list. They do support pilot roles for the snoplus VO, but not gridpp, but snoplus needs all the resources it can get, so we left the site turned on [**]. We follow these problems up in GGUS tickets, but sites can drag their heels for months on end.
About the VAC sites: I can see from the admin interface that neither VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk nor VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk run any gridpp jobs directly submitted to them. The bad thing is, I can't even tell from the admin interface if they should be able to. I will ask Andrew McN about this off the list and cc you on the email.
TLDR: In this case dirac probably does know best and won't let you submit a job at a site where it wouldn't run. Unfortunately the reasons for this are not necessarily obvious to the user (and in a lot of cases to the admins as well...)
[*] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=114460 [**] https://ggus.eu/?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=118289
Regards, Daniela
On 2 March 2016 at 16:40, Steve Lloyd <s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk> wrote: Hi, My jobs never seem to run at some sites:
VAC.UKI-LT2-UCL-HEP.uk VAC.UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-NORTHGRID-SHEF-HEP.uk LCG.UKI-SOUTHGRID-SUSX.uk
See http://pprc.qmul.ac.uk/~lloyd/gridpp/gridtests/diractest.html for more details.
Cheers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prof Steve Lloyd Head of School of Physics and Astronomy Queen Mary University of London, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK E-mail: s.l.lloyd@qmul.ac.uk Phone: +44-(0)207-882-6967 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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