From: "Adam Hodgkin" <adamgh@dial.pipex.com>
Hello Chemweb
There is a very interesting new search engine on the block. Try www.google.com
I tested it with some obvious search terms (ATP, Sodium Chloride, Wendy Warr, Henry Rzepa, MDL, ChemWeb etc) and found useful results.
Particularly handy is the ability to disambiguate (ATP collects lots of Advanced Technology Programs etc -- but you clear the fog by simply adding 'chemistry' to your search term); AND the coolest feature you can immediately click on red bars which show the extent to which the page is cited (hyperlinked from other pages in the google repository). This is a useful way of ranking importance/relevance/webcentrality.
The other features of the system are well-explained at the site; but I add that the designers have put in some very cool and simple design features which they dont brag about. They style it a 'beta' version, but I am begining to use it in preference to AltaVista and Excite etc
I think it will have good special applications for chemistry.
Adam
Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Rzepa, Henry wrote:
From: "Adam Hodgkin" <adamgh@dial.pipex.com>
Hello Chemweb
There is a very interesting new search engine on the block. Try www.google.com
I tested it with some obvious search terms (ATP, Sodium Chloride, Wendy Warr, Henry Rzepa, MDL, ChemWeb etc) and found useful results.
I am honored to find that I am an "obvious search term"! Aren't you, Henry? Wendy -- Dr Wendy A Warr Wendy Warr & Associates, 6 Berwick Court Holmes Chapel, Cheshire CW4 7HZ, England Tel/fax +44 (0)1477 533837 wendy@warr.com http://www.warr.com chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Apologies in advance if you receive two copies of this mail it is being cross posted to chemweb <-> CHMINF-L "Adam Hodgkin" <adamgh@dial.pipex.com> wrote
There is a very interesting new search engine on the block. Try www.google.com
My comments are not purely related to the www.google.com site, which incidentally was added to the "Links for Chemists: Search Engines" section back in January.... http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/search.html http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/jan99.html but having been reminded about the site, I went back for another look. I used "Links for Chemists" as the search term and was quite happy with the output, until I got to the 10th link http://pet1.chem.ucsb.edu/pharmac.html which appeared to be quite similar to our page at Liverpool... hmmmm. http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/pharmac.html This is the seventh such incident in recent months where there have been violations of our copyright, the owner of the offending page has been asked (nicely!) to remove it. I noticed that WebElements includes a small, but well buried, list of copyright violators, presumably to shame people into removing them? http://www.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/chemdex/chem-periodic-tables.html It seems obvious that the more popular a chemistry site becomes, the more people emerge that are either a) merely ignorant of copyright law (not an excuse in itself) or b) willing to flout copyright law, confident that they won't be detected Meta-search sites like google.com give the authors of sites such as ours, a fighting chance of locating any copytright violations out there. In that respect, I have to agree, google.com is already proving to be a valuable tool. Regards, Michael Barker -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Apologies in advance if you receive two copies of this mail it is being cross posted to chemweb <-> CHMINF-L Dear All, re: www.google.com Further to my earlier mail, the owner of the offending page has replied and removed it, so don't be surprised to find that the url http://pet1.chem.ucsb.edu/pharmac.html doesn't work. :-) Regards, Michael Barker -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Apologies in advance if you receive two copies of this mail it is being cross posted to chemweb <-> CHMINF-L Hi, I have placed a small page on the "Links for Chemists" site listing some browser plugins that I think may be useful to a chemist when he/she is surfing the web. http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/plugins.html I am not a great user of plugins (with the exception of RasMol, Chime and Acrobat), so if anyone has a favourite plugin which I have missed, or you know of any mirror download sites, or even if you see any glaring mistakes, I would appreciate the input. **Please respond directly to mhbarker@liv.ac.uk and not to the list** The information will be summarised and displayed on the page itself in due course. Thanks and regards, Michael Barker -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Apologies in advance if you receive two copies of this mail it is being cross posted to Chemweb@ic.ac.uk and CHMINF-L Dear All, I recently found out about a new science index, you may find it useful, it's in its infancy, but I can see it taking off http://www.sciseek.com Regards, Michael Barker -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Hello Chemweb( Com & Imperial varieties), I liked the information from Adam Hodgkin and used Google to demonstrate search engines to a student - the results were quite nice ( some peculiar results found - as usual- but easily sorted )- but when my own "name" and "chemistry" were input I was surprised to find so little reference to the Royal Society of Chemistry ( my top hits were from ChemWeb.com and the Chemical Structure Association - full marks to them !!). Perhaps the RSC would like to comment - they are THE Professional organisation for chemists - particularly in view of adverse comments (not from me) on other aspects of their efforts , previously circulated via this list. Perhaps they or the Royal Society should sponsor a chemistry (science) biased search engine we could all be happy with. On a related matter, I recently received an information leaflet about the RSC's Library & Information Centre. I liked the idea of using their CD-Roms and possibly doing on-line searches myself(preferably using CAS Sci-Finder) but was told access is only available from London. This is a poor service for the majority of members not located near London, it explains why I have never made use of this facility in 30 years of active chemistry, and with modern IT there is very little excuse for it. I will forward this email( & FAX a copy to the editor of Chemistry in Britain just in case) perhaps he might include it in the "Comments feature" of Chemistry in Britain for those members not served by ChemWeb list. Bernard. On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:38:55 +0100 "Rzepa, Henry" <h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk> wrote:
From: "Adam Hodgkin" <adamgh@dial.pipex.com>
Hello Chemweb
There is a very interesting new search engine on the block. Try www.google.com
I tested it with some obvious search terms (ATP, Sodium Chloride, Wendy Warr, Henry Rzepa, MDL, ChemWeb etc) and found useful results.
Particularly handy is the ability to disambiguate (ATP collects lots of Advanced Technology Programs etc -- but you clear the fog by simply adding 'chemistry' to your search term); AND the coolest feature you can immediately click on red bars which show the extent to which the page is cited (hyperlinked from other pages in the google repository). This is a useful way of ranking importance/relevance/webcentrality.
The other features of the system are well-explained at the site; but I add that the designers have put in some very cool and simple design features which they dont brag about. They style it a 'beta' version, but I am begining to use it in preference to AltaVista and Excite etc
I think it will have good special applications for chemistry.
Adam
Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/
chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
---------------------- Dr. B. Blessington Pharmaceutical Chemistry Dept., Bradford University. Bradford BD7 1DP. U.K. email: b.blessington@bradford.ac.uk tel: 44 (0) 1274 234704 WWW: http://www.student.brad.ac.uk/bblessin/ chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Dr. B. Blessington wrote:
Hello Chemweb( Com & Imperial varieties), I liked the information from Adam Hodgkin and used Google to demonstrate search engines to a student - the results were quite nice ( some peculiar results found - as usual- but easily sorted )- but when my own "name" and "chemistry" were input I was surprised to find so little reference to the Royal Society of Chemistry ( my top hits were from ChemWeb.com and the Chemical Structure Association - full marks to them !!).
Henry's tests with portals suggested that .com sites tend to come to the top perhaps for reasons other than their commendability. (Isn't the CSA site maintained by a .com organisation?)
Perhaps the RSC would like to comment - they are THE Professional organisation for chemists
Wot no ACS? Have you heard of ChemCenter, Bernard? Funnily enough I was just thinking earlier, on seeing the new Elsevier Kluwer rumours on chminf-l, that ACS, RSC, GDCh et al. should get their acts together. It would pay ACS to be proactive in such a venture instead of adopting the dubious tactics they used in Anaheim to suppress their competitors. Wendy -- Dr Wendy A Warr Wendy Warr & Associates, 6 Berwick Court Holmes Chapel, Cheshire CW4 7HZ, England Tel/fax +44 (0)1477 533837 wendy@warr.com http://www.warr.com chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:47:10 +0100 "Dr. Wendy A. Warr" <wendy@warr.com> wrote:
Dr. B. Blessington wrote:
Hello Chemweb( Com & Imperial varieties), I liked the
information from Adam Hodgkin > and used Google to demonstrate search engines to a student - the results were quite nice > ( some peculiar results found - as usual- but easily sorted )- but when my own "name" and > "chemistry" were input I was surprised to find so little reference to the Royal Society > of Chemistry ( my top hits were from ChemWeb.com and the Chemical Structure Association - > full marks to them !!)......
Perhaps the RSC would like to comment - they are THE Professional organisation for chemists
Wot no ACS? Have you heard of ChemCenter, Bernard? Funnily enough I was just thinking earlier, on seeing the new Elsevier Kluwer rumours on chminf-l, that ACS, RSC, GDCh et al. should get their acts together. It would pay ACS to be proactive in such a venture instead of adopting the dubious tactics they used in Anaheim to suppress their competitors.
Wendy
Sorry Wendy & ACS (? American Chemical Soc. ?) - sometimes I forget WWW's scope- I really meant THE Professional organisation for UK chemists. Your reply interests me - could you expand on ChemCenter.Is it a better/more accessible resource than RSC's information & library ? Why ? Maybe RSC members can vote with their feet (or subscription)? I'm very impressed with & use US resources, particularly PubMedline for searches ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/) Your Anaheim reference means nothing to me - can you explain? Maybe the Federaration of European Chemical Societies (FECS) may wish to comment? Bernard ---------------------- Dr. B. Blessington Pharmaceutical Chemistry Dept., Bradford University. Bradford BD7 1DP. U.K. email: b.blessington@bradford.ac.uk tel: 44 (0) 1274 234704 WWW: http://www.student.brad.ac.uk/bblessin/ chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Dr. B. Blessington wrote:
Sorry Wendy & ACS (? American Chemical Soc. ?) - sometimes I forget WWW's scope- I really meant THE Professional organisation for UK chemists.
Yes, the American Chemical Society - the world's largest scientific society etc. etc.!
Your reply interests me - could you expand on ChemCenter.Is it a better/more accessible resource than RSC's information & library ?
Visit http://www.chemcenter.org and find out for yourself. It is a "virtual community" (such as RSC's Chemsoc) but communities differ. They all have their good points and their bad points. This is a fast changing field and I hesitate to refer you to learned publications in this field since they are out of date already.
Why ? Maybe RSC members can vote with their feet (or subscription)?
My impression at the recent ACS meeting in Anaheim was that members *are* voting with their feet as regards some services. I am not sure why you think that RSC has had bad publicity on this list. In Anaheim, the audience applauded *in the middle* of a presentation on electronic journal pricing by Robert Parker of RSC. I sense that RSC is pretty popular in the US. Perhaps the prophet is not appreciated on his home terrain?
Your Anaheim reference means nothing to me - can you explain?
Sorry - cheap gibe at ACS who are taking it out on me (one of their own learned editors) because I was honest about ChemCenter last year. I am honest now too - ChemCenter is much improved. It has been re-organised into eight areas and the home page loads much quicker. It has a great deal of useful content, some of it free, and you don't have to register! (There are advantages, though, to registering.) Wendy -- Dr Wendy A Warr Wendy Warr & Associates, 6 Berwick Court Holmes Chapel, Cheshire CW4 7HZ, England Tel/fax +44 (0)1477 533837 wendy@warr.com http://www.warr.com chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Dear Bernard et al.,
Perhaps the RSC would like to comment - they are THE Professional organisation for chemists
I recently attended a meeting in Liverpool with some chaps from the RSC, they were canvassing us for ideas and requests, in short, to get an idea of what we thought they should be doing and to find out what else we wanted from them. I was extremely impressed by this approach. They are trying. I would urge you to give them your support, (and your feedback/questions/worries directly), they are willing to listen.
Your reply interests me - could you expand on ChemCenter. Is it a better/more accessible resource than RSC's information & library ?
Chemcenter can be found on the url http://www.chemcenter.org there are a some useful free search facilities on chemcenter, e.g. under the library section, there is a link to an ACS puublications search form http://pubs.acs.org/journals/aoc/aoc_search.html but like most US services, if you want them, you have to pay... http://www.chemcenter.org/dbsearch.html most of these are beyond the means of a single researcher and are usually subscribed to on an institutional basis and come out of a library budget. E.g. Scifinder Scholar, http://www.cas.org/SCIFINDER/SCHOLAR/index.html Unfortunately, Liverpool's science librarian knows nothing about this product, so I have never used it, apparently we have no plans to subscribe. Obviously we can get CAS via STN... http://www.fiz-karlsruhe.de but it is not even clear if this is available to us in the UK. But Scifinder Scholar? Perhaps Wendy could clarify? The RSC equivalent of ChemCentre is chemsoc.org and can be found here http://www.chemsoc.org
Why? Maybe RSC members can vote with their feet (or subscription)? I'm very impressed with & use US resources, particularly PubMedline for searches ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/)
The EU also has some pretty impressive resources to such as Beilstein. If Bradford has BIDS, I think you will be entitled to use Beilstein via MIDAS http://www.midas.ac.uk/scientific/
Your Anaheim reference means nothing to me - can you explain?
A major ACS meeting recently took place in Anaheim. Regards, Michael. -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Michael H. Barker wrote:
but it is not even clear if this is available to us in the UK. But Scifinder Scholar? Perhaps Wendy could clarify?
I can't. How embarrassing! SciFinder Scholar was announced in 1997. A review by Arleen Somerville appeared in last August's J. Chem. Ed. I don't think it is used in the UK yet - although SciFinder industrial version has been about for ages. I reviewed the first industrial version and was VERY impressed. But it now has substructure search too - I haven't tried that. I do know that in Anaheim it was reported that there had been a "stampede to use" SciFinder Scholar and a very long list of US universities was displayed. Can someone at CAS please advise? Wendy -- Dr Wendy A Warr Wendy Warr & Associates, 6 Berwick Court Holmes Chapel, Cheshire CW4 7HZ, England Tel/fax +44 (0)1477 533837 wendy@warr.com http://www.warr.com chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
but it is not even clear if this is available to us in the UK. But Perhaps Wendy could clarify?
Dr. Wendy A. Warr wrote:
I can't. How embarrassing!
Oh well! I guess that it isn't available over here (yet?) otherwise we would have heard some noise from the ACS by now.
I do know that in Anaheim it was reported that there had been a "stampede to use" SciFinder Scholar and a very long list of US universities was displayed. Can someone at CAS please advise?
The chminf-l list (archived here ---> http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/chminf-l.html ) had various messages posted over the last few weeks saying how wonderful this product is, that many US institutes are taking out multiple user subscriptions, and that some are looking at restricting the time that indiviuals can use it as it is such a high-demand resource. I hoped that CAS would have mentioned at Anaheim, any plans they had for making scifinder scholar available in the EU. From what Wendy said, it seems they didn't. Does this mean that they have no plans to release it over here? Michael. -- *------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC The University of Liverpool | | Department of Chemistry | | Tel: +44 151 794 2274 Oxford Street | | Fax: +44 151 794 3588 Liverpool | | L69 7ZD | | E-mail: mhbarker@liv.ac.uk United Kingdom | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
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