Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
I had a look at Active Labs site this lunchtime (13:30 GMT) and found it straightforward to use. The applet(s) loaded in a few seconds and I had the pKa, logP and B.P. of acetone amd acetic acid inside five minutes including figuring out the structure drawing functions. I was impressed and for one would like to see more of this type of thing on the web. As for
NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS.
well, what's so unusual about that? This is the WWW we're talking about - waiting 5 or 10 minutes to download simple html is not unusual. (not on this side of the Altantic anyway) We shouldn't get unrealistic in our expectations of things on the web - its unreliable - who would do a live WWW demo before an audience and with no safety net for example? ----------------------------------------- Dr Richard Singer School of Applied Chemistry Kingston University Penrhyn Road Surrey KT1 2EE UK Tel 0181 547 2000 ext 2471 FAX 0181 547 7562 ----------------------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver@ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
As for
NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS.
well, what's so unusual about that?
For what its worth, we have approached these people to investigate setting up mirror sites this side of the pond. As for earlier comments, I agree that a bad design is not the fault of the language but the designer! This particular interface is not perfect, but it is still beta software after all, and comments such as we have seen should help them. Bear in mind also that Java is designed to run locally, and does not have to run via a bad network. Another aspect is its cross-platform features, ie no longer (in theory) do users of "less common" platforms have to suffer a long delay waiting for their particular version of software (for example, I notice that the lates version of Netscape is 2.0 for OS/2 platforms!! Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; rzepa@ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver@ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Having gone through the (sometimes painful) process of writing Java applets for display over the WWW I'll try to make a few dispassionate comments. In my experience *all* graphics languages take time to get off the ground. I've been through lots. I know over 10 ways of getting a completely blank screen. Java is no more than a year old - if you go back to (say) GL or whatever at that vintage it was no better. Java has been extremely ambitious. A multiplatform *graphics* tool, that requires no pre-installation was unconceivable even 2 years ago. I have struggled to get code distributed on more than one platform and Java is terrific compared to anything else. (Try providing binaries for every flavour of UNIX box; send makefiles, and half the people won't even start). Ironically Java, which was trumpeted for its graphics , has relatively poor graphics (at present) but is superb for writing Object-oriented code. It has been precisely what I have been waiting for. For the first time it offers the chemical community to develop code cooperatively and to reuse methods (especially algorithms) rather than reinventing the wheel. If anyone would like to join in I am starting a collaborative venture under the Open Molecule Foundation (http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/omf/) JDK1.02 is rather primtive (you have to write your own callbacks, etc.) but 1.1. is a great advance. It will be about 3 months (I believe) before the browsers support it, but I expect to see a quantum leap at that stage. It implements approaches that very few people in our community know about - IMO we have a long way to go to catch up with cutting edge computer science. Java is not _completely_ portable at present as there can be bugs in the browser, bugs in the code which only show up in certain environment, and possibly problems configuring the server. But these will be solved and quite quickly. Other disciplines (e.g. finance) are taking to it in a large way). The WWW has been so successful it has raised our expectations that we should be able to get immediate, effortless, high-quality distributed computing. The expectations are ahead of the reality, but not by a huge amount, I think. P. Peter Murray-Rust (PeterMR, ) Director, Virtual School of Molecular Sciences Pharmaceutical Sciences, Nottingham University, NG7 2RD, UK; Tel 44-115-9515100 Fax 5110 http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/vsms/; OMF: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/omf/ ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver@ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
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                peter murray rust
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                RICHARD SINGER
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                Rzepa, Henry