After a period of relatively little change in the browser stakes (ie Netscape about 40%, IE about 60%), I note with interest that at least two "new" versions of browsers are nearing completion. iCab (which is a Mac only: http://www.icab.de/ )) browser now at 1.8, seems to support eg the Chime and Chem3D chemistry plugins fairly well. iCab works some many (most?) chemistry types, but apparently does not like some data sets. It works fine on http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/ which contains a pdb file embedded. iCab is interesting because it supports HTML version 4, including a nice <object> cascade which can cascade down your list of "installed" chemistry until it finds something you can support. Hence if no e.g. Chime to render the pdb file, then pass on to eg a Java attempt. If that is blocked, then pass to eg a GIF image, and finally eg text. Finally, the thing done "properly"! Also, I note with interest that Mozilla M12 (aka Netscape 5) is finally looking like a product nearing completion. It crashes on my system in trying to render a Chime pdb file. Anyone else have any experiences? Get it from http://www.mozilla.org/ I note that like IE 5 (and very shortly 5.5? ) Mozilla contains an XML parser, and does some very nice things with stylesheets! To conclude, I might mention Amaya 2.4, which is at http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ supports HTML 4, XHTML, stylesheets, and MathML (but not plugins!). It also has a nice built in editor. Actually, this feature of a validating component, is also part of iCab, and probably Mozilla. Henry Rzepa. +44 (0)20 7594 5774 (Office) +44 (0)20 7594 5804 (Fax) Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, London, SW7 2AY, UK. http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
After a period of relatively little change in the browser stakes (ie Netscape about 40%, IE about 60%), I note with interest that at least two "new" versions of browsers are nearing completion.
iCab (which is a Mac only: http://www.icab.de/ )) browser now at 1.8 ... Also, I note with interest that Mozilla M12 (aka Netscape 5) is finally looking like a product nearing completion. ... To conclude, I might mention Amaya 2.4, which is at http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
Opera for Mac is also rumored to be close to enter the first testing stage. Robert chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Hi Henry & Robert, I just took a look at the browser stats for Links for Chemists http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html The overall stats for recent months (114,500 uniques / 170,000 all inc.) showed Netscape 46.56% MSIE 47.86% Other 5.57% So far from the 60:40 split given by Henry, we have the NS and MS neck and neck. Netscape 4 40.32% MSIE 4 24.92% MSIE 5 19.59% Netscape 3 5.83% AOL 4 4.42% MSIE 3 3.31% AOL 3 0.43% Netscape 2 0.40% WebTV 1 0.32% Other 0.32% AOL-IWENG 3 0.04% Opera 3 0.03% MSIE 2 0.03% Netscape 5 0.00% But my question is, does anybody actually make use of any of the minority browsers (with the exception of WebTV with an almost respectable one third of a percent of our visitors)? When you see Opera users with 0.03% of visits, it makes you wonder. All the best, Michael. -- *-------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC Helsinki University of Technology | | Department of Physical Chemistry | | Tel: +358 9 451 2573 and Electrochemistry | | Fax: +358 9 451 2583 P.O. Box 6100 | | FIN-02015 HUT | | E-mail: mhbarker@cc.hut.fi Finland | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *-------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
I am interested in your statistics on browsers. A possible explanation of part of the preference for Netscape is the inability of IE4 (or 4.5) on a Mac to recognise the font symbol. For much of my nomenclature work I have to Greek letters and no longer use graphics files to creat the letters.
From my monitoring of the use of one document where the graphics approach is offered as an alternative fewer and fewer users use the graphics approach. I cannot distinguish between those upgrading old browsers from those switching to Netscape.
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I am interested in your statistics on browsers. A possible explanation of part of the preference for Netscape is the inability of IE4 (or 4.5) on a Mac to recognise the font symbol. For much of my nomenclature work I have to Greek letters and no longer use graphics files to creat the letters.
From my monitoring of the use of one document where the graphics approach is offered as an alternative fewer and fewer users use the graphics approach. I cannot distinguish between those upgrading old browsers from those switching to Netscape.
Try, for instance <font face="symbol"><span style="font-family: symbol">a</span></font> to write Greek alpha. While, correctly, <font> is frowned upon these days, the combination of style and font seems to work on everything, including Mac IE 4.5 and iCab. My access stats to date in 2000 give the same split as Henry's, and further suggest that is will not be long before <span style="font-family: symbol">a</span> will do as well over 90% of browsers now should work with this recipe. The numbers are: Version % 1 Netscape 4.x 33.67 2 MSIE 5.x 26.80 3 MSIE 4.x 17.79 4 MSIE 5.x (AOL) 8.97 5 Netscape 3.x 4.47 6 MSIE 4.x (AOL) 4.14 7 MSIE 3.x 2.04 8 MSIE 3.x (AOL) 1.24 9 Netscape 2.x 0.40 10 MSIE 2.x 0.39 11 MSIE 2.x (AOL) 0.09 12 NetPositive 0.00 13 OmniWeb 0.00 14 Sun HotJava 0.00 15 Opera 3.x 0.00 You might find these interesting when it comes to site design: Operating System % 1 Windows 85.64 2 Macintosh 10.77 3 Other 2.36 4 Unix 1.24 Screen Resolution Visitors % 1 800 x 600 pixels 52.42 2 640 x 480 pixels 19.68 3 1024 x 768 pixels 17.33 4 Other Resolutions 3.52 5 800 x 553 pixels 2.07 6 1280 x 1024 pixels 2.06 7 1152 x 864 pixels 1.33 8 640 x 433 pixels 0.76 9 1024 x 721 pixels 0.61 10 1600 x 1200 pixels 0.24 So we see that there are still 20% using small screens (quite a high proportion), and about 12% using decent computers. The next question is: how accurate are these numbers? In a different note Wendy asks about the proportion of company users. Short of enforcing user logins I don't know how to determine this. Suggestions? A .com referral means nothing! regards Dr Mark J Winter (Director of Studies) Department of Chemistry, The University, Sheffield S3 7HF, England tel: +44 (0)114 222 9304 fax: +44 (0)114 222 9303 e-m: mark.winter@sheffield.ac.uk http://www.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/staff/mjw/mark-winter.html WebElements is the periodic table on the world-wide web: http://www.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/web-elements/ or http://www.webelements.com/ The Sheffield Chemdex is a listing of chemistry sites on the world-wide web: http://www.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/chemdex/ or http://www.chemdex.org/ chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
"Mr M.H. Barker" wrote:
Hi Henry & Robert,
I just took a look at the browser stats for Links for Chemists
http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html
The overall stats for recent months (114,500 uniques / 170,000 all inc.) showed
Netscape 46.56% MSIE 47.86%
Michael, What proportion of your users is commercial? The number of big companies standardising on Microsoft may not be reflected in your figures. Wendy (using Netscape Navigator and Messenger!) -- Dr Wendy A Warr Wendy Warr & Associates, 6 Berwick Court Holmes Chapel, Cheshire CW4 7HZ, England Tel/fax +44 (0)1477 533837 wendy@warr.com http://www.warr.com chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Hi Wendy,
http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html
The overall stats for recent months (114,500 uniques / 170,000 all inc.) showed
Netscape 46.56% MSIE 47.86%
Michael,
What proportion of your users is commercial? The number of big companies standardising on Microsoft may not be reflected in your figures.
Wendy (using Netscape Navigator and Messenger!)
That's much harderto put numbers to. A quarter of all visits are untraceable. I'm no expert on reverse domain stuff so I don't lose too much sleep over it. I know that caches can also alter the figures a bit, but it shouldn't be much as the cache domain should be at least similar to the user. However, as you asked.... Unknown 24.25% .com US Commercial 18.30% .net Network 13.75% .uk United Kingdom 7.94% .edu US Educational 5.41% but .com does include all the people at home using AOL / Compuserve etc. etc. so that is lumped in with the figures for the big companies. We do have stats for each domain for the overall Chemistry department server, but going through them is a painfully dull task and might not reveal too much... If you want to take a look, help yourself... http://www.liv.ac.uk/Admin/Latest.Chemistry.wwwstats.html Michael using NS 4.7, Lynx 2.7.1 (Fast) & IE 5 (for browser compat. tests) -- *-------------------------------------------------------------* | Michael H. Barker GRSC Helsinki University of Technology | | Department of Physical Chemistry | | Tel: +358 9 451 2573 and Electrochemistry | | Fax: +358 9 451 2583 P.O. Box 6100 | | FIN-02015 HUT | | E-mail: mhbarker@cc.hut.fi Finland | | | | "Links for Chemists" | | http://www.liv.ac.uk/Chemistry/Links/links.html | *-------------------------------------------------------------* chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. To post to list: mailto:chemweb@ic.ac.uk Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@ic.ac.uk the following message; (un)subscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
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Dr. Wendy A. Warr
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G.P.Moss
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Mark Winter
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Mr M.H. Barker
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Robert Brenstein
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Rzepa, Henry