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RE : Profiles
by Claude.C.LUTTMANN＠RPR-RD-CRVA-CHIMIE.RP-RORER.rp.fr 11 Feb '97

11 Feb '97

Hi Dave, I could be interested by being 'profiled'. I am working in a pharmaceutical industry (Discovery/Research) as a modeler and some experience in information system (especially in 3D). Dr. Claude LUTTMANN Rhone-Poulenc Rorer CRVA, B.P. 14, 13 quai Jules Guesde F-94403 Vitry-sur-Seine Cedex Fax : + 01 55 71 80 14 Phone : + 01 55 71 38 30 E-mail : LUTTMANN(a)RP.FR ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by Bryan Van Vliet 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

Chime will install into the plugins directory of Internet Explorer and will render structures (at least for Internet Explorer 3.0 on Windows 95 and NT.) The installer for Chime 1.0 will allow you to install in a plugins directory other than the one for Netscape Navigator. Chime scripting will not work in Internet Explorer, which means that you will not be able to run some of the interesting Chime tutorials that are available on the Web. This is because Internet Explorer doesn't support all of the capabilities of Netscape plug-ins, including executing a JavaScript command from a plug-in. This also means that you will not be able to access Chemscape Server from Internet Explorer. We do have a prototype of Chime Pro with an ActiveX wrapper around it. We are planning to provide this to corporate users who wish to use Chemscape Server from Internet Explorer in a corporate Intranet. Currently, we have no plans to provide an ActiveX version of basic Chime for the Internet. As soon as we did that, every Chime tutorial creator would have to support 2 kinds of embedding technology. For example, in Internet Explorer, rather than supporting the <EMBED> tag, you must create a Chime Control object and use properties instead of <EMBED> tag options to control Chime: ChimeCtl.src = "my.pdb" ChimeCtl.display3d = "ball&stick" To insert a Chime/ActiveX object, you have to use the ActiveX Control Pad which inserts the proper reference to the Chime/ActiveX control (and sticks a really nasty >40 character ActiveX control identification string into your HTML page.) If we were to release Chime/ActiveX to the Internet, Chime tutorial writers would have to support 2 sets of scripts, one for ActiveX and one for the plug-ins version. It would really be great if Microsoft completely supported Netscape plug-ins so the chemical community wasn't faced with a lot of work. Plug-ins basically work well in Internet Explorer, Microsoft just needs to complete support of a few items (like type="" as an EMBED tag option and the ability to reference a javascript: URL.) I don't think that 2 types of embedding technology on the Internet is the solution. Thanks, Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Bryan Van Vliet bryan(a)mdli.com | | Project Manager, Internet Technologies 510.895.1313 x1160 (Voice) | | MDL Information Systems, Inc. 510.352.2870 (Fax) | | 14600 Catalina Street, San Leandro, CA 94577 http://www.mdli.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by Keith Wilkinson 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

> >Is it possible to view PDB-files from MS Internet Explorer? > >Following the guidelines given at the ECHET96 homepage, I downloaded chime > >from MDL for Windows95, only to find that chime will only work with > >Netscape Navigator, not with MS Internet Explorer. Try RasMol, it will work on any system, and there is a plug in for just about every platform (EVEN the Acorn, if there are still any acorn users out there!). Available from: http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/rasmol/ It's transparent in operation, just pops up when you view a pdb file whether on the web or via the file manager/explorer. There's a list of Rasmol related links via the Royal Society of Chemistry's website or at ours at: http://schools.sys.uea.ac.uk/schoolnet/winchester/chemistry.html and links to libraries of rasmol files (there are heaps!) and are brilliant as a teaching support and a simple way to introduce young chemists to a practical use of the web! All the best, Keith Wilkinson Winchester College ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by Paul Deards 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

A plea for help from the CHMINF-L discussion list: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:44:47 +0100 >Reply-To: CHEMICAL INFORMATION SOURCES DISCUSSION LIST > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> >Sender: CHEMICAL INFORMATION SOURCES DISCUSSION LIST > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> >From: Thomas Hoyer <thomas.hoyer(a)LEO.DK> >Subject: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer >To: Multiple recipients of list CHMINF-L > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> > >Is it possible to view PDB-files from MS Internet Explorer? > >Following the guidelines given at the ECHET96 homepage, I downloaded chime >from MDL for Windows95, only to find that chime will only work with >Netscape Navigator, not with MS Internet Explorer. > >My company believes in MS Internet Explorer, so I would appreciate if >somebody on this list, who have overcome this same problem, would write me >a note. > >Thanks. > >Thomas Hoyer >Leo Pharmaceuticals >Denmark > -------------------------- Paul Deards IT Manager Society of Chemical Industry 0171-2353681 x233 pauld(a)chemind.demon.co.uk http://sci.mond.org/ -------------------------- Advertising with SCI electronic publications is a cost-effective way of reaching a target audience of scientists. For more details, contact us at advertising(a)chemind.demon.co.uk -------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by John Maher 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

> Try RasMol, it will work on any system, and there is a plug in for just > about every platform (EVEN the Acorn, if there are still any acorn users > out there!). Yep, there are Acorns in the undergrowth, and you should see Rasmol go on a StrongArm. Sorry I just couldn't resist the plug! ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by RICHARD SINGER 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

I had a look at Active Labs site this lunchtime (13:30 GMT) and found it straightforward to use. The applet(s) loaded in a few seconds and I had the pKa, logP and B.P. of acetone amd acetic acid inside five minutes including figuring out the structure drawing functions. I was impressed and for one would like to see more of this type of thing on the web. As for >> NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. well, what's so unusual about that? This is the WWW we're talking about - waiting 5 or 10 minutes to download simple html is not unusual. (not on this side of the Altantic anyway) We shouldn't get unrealistic in our expectations of things on the web - its unreliable - who would do a live WWW demo before an audience and with no safety net for example? ----------------------------------------- Dr Richard Singer School of Applied Chemistry Kingston University Penrhyn Road Surrey KT1 2EE UK Tel 0181 547 2000 ext 2471 FAX 0181 547 7562 ----------------------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by Jonathan W. Steed 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

>> Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of >> structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. >> The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is >> forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are >> expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing >> happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic >> structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just >> described above. >> >> On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is >> going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts >> me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon >> that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will >> return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, >> my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically >> - minutes. > >I've been reading a bit about Java, and it seems a simple band-aid >would be for programmer's themselves to write such a busy signal >into their code. It wouldn't prevent the delays, but would prevent >the lack of communication. I had a go at this at around 11 am London time (before all the American users are up!) and it took about 30s to load up (Pentium 133, Netscape 3.0 gold), which I was okay having been pre-warned. You can tell its loading because the Netscape tells you its still up to something. It all looked excellent and worked smoothly right up to the point when Itried to actually do anything, like calculate an NMR spectrum or get a pKa value, and then I got the message "form is empty" or somesuch, in spite of the clock ticking away cheerfully for an hour or so (while I went off for tea). I tried a complex macrocycle first and then I tried ethanol, with equally unexciting results. In spite of this total failure to be useful however, I was impressed with the system's potential, if not its current state of realisation. I will be back for more! Jon Steed. Dr. Jonathan W. Steed Department of Chemistry, King's College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS, UK. Tel: +44 (0)171 873 2117, Fax: +44 (0)171 873 2810 e-mail: j.steed(a)kcl.ac.uk Web site: HTTP://CRAC3.CH.KCL.AC.UK/KCLCHEM/SUPRAMOL.HTM ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Profiles
by David Bradley Science Writer 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

I hope this isn't out of place but I am looking for scientists in Europe (incl UK of course) who rely on computers for their work and who would be interested in being profiled for a specialist computing magazine. If you are interested please get in touch directly. Thanks in advance Dave Bradley -------------------------------------------------------- | David Bradley Science Writer | | Bradley(a)enterprise.net | | Tel/Fax +44 1223 440834 (Intl) | | Tel/Fax 01223 440834 (UK) | | | | http://homepages.enterprise.net/bradley/bradhome.html | -------------------------------------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by Donovan C. Haines 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

> Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of > structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. > The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is > forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are > expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing > happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic > structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just > described above. > > On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is > going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts > me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon > that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will > return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, > my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically > - minutes. I've been reading a bit about Java, and it seems a simple band-aid would be for programmer's themselves to write such a busy signal into their code. It wouldn't prevent the delays, but would prevent the lack of communication. In fact, if there are any Java programmers reading this, perhaps they could write a generic busy signal and distribute it. Also, I went to the page and everything clipped along just fine (8:00 am CST on a pentium 133 running Windows 95 with Netscape 3.0 gold). I couldn't find a button for aromatics, though. Am I just blind or does someone know of a reason it would not show up on my system? Java works fine, but do I need to download an extension? -Donovan C. Haines GTA, Chemistry Department The Wichita State University ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Comments Re Active Labs demo
by timp＠vt.edu 03 Feb '97

03 Feb '97

Henry found the URL listed below interesting. I found it to be another telling example of the incredibly overblown puffery surrounding Java scripts. If this is an example of what Java can/will deliver, it will never find acceptance in my corner of the world. The most glaring short-coming of this technology is that it fails to provide any indication of when it is active vs when it is waiting for input. That, coupled with rather slow network connections in most cases, dooms it to failure in its current mode. Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just described above. On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically - minutes. Then, several mouse clicks later, the applet starts responding, but usually it is responding to a state that existed several minutes ago, not the state that exists now. When I see this delayed response, my reaction is - Hey, maybe it is working now - so I click again to try to do what I initially began. But the result is merely repeated. The applet has to start again, my cursor disappears, there is no indication of what, if anything is going on, or how long it might be before I should expect a response. Reading through the E-mail comments suggests others are similarly frustrated. Most of the developer responses take the form - please allow time time for the application to load, response may be slow due to loading delays, etc. Please, people, get real. This is not a viable system in its present state. The only thing you are doing by showing off such crippled examples is convincing me not to believe anything I hear about Java. Others may have similar responses. Tim Pickering Virginia Tech =============>> >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 22:08:38 GMT >Reply-To: h.rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk >Originator: chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk >Sender: chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk >Precedence: bulk >From: "Rzepa, Henry" <h.rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk> >To: Multiple recipients of list <chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk> >Subject: Active Labs demo >X-Comment: Chemistry Webmasters Discussion list > >This is an interesting URL for client/server based Java chemistry >applications > >http://www.acdlabs.com/activelab/ > >If anyone has come across similar environments, do please post this >list. > > >Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; >rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. >URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ > > >----- >chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. >Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ >To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; >unsubscribe chemweb >List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk) > ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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