February 1997 - chemweb - imperial.ac.uk

viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by Paul Deards 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

A plea for help from the CHMINF-L discussion list: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:44:47 +0100 >Reply-To: CHEMICAL INFORMATION SOURCES DISCUSSION LIST > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> >Sender: CHEMICAL INFORMATION SOURCES DISCUSSION LIST > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> >From: Thomas Hoyer <thomas.hoyer(a)LEO.DK> >Subject: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer >To: Multiple recipients of list CHMINF-L > <CHMINF-L(a)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU> > >Is it possible to view PDB-files from MS Internet Explorer? > >Following the guidelines given at the ECHET96 homepage, I downloaded chime >from MDL for Windows95, only to find that chime will only work with >Netscape Navigator, not with MS Internet Explorer. > >My company believes in MS Internet Explorer, so I would appreciate if >somebody on this list, who have overcome this same problem, would write me >a note. > >Thanks. > >Thomas Hoyer >Leo Pharmaceuticals >Denmark > -------------------------- Paul Deards IT Manager Society of Chemical Industry 0171-2353681 x233 pauld(a)chemind.demon.co.uk http://sci.mond.org/ -------------------------- Advertising with SCI electronic publications is a cost-effective way of reaching a target audience of scientists. For more details, contact us at advertising(a)chemind.demon.co.uk -------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: viewing PDB-files in MS Internet Explorer
by John Maher 10 Feb '97

10 Feb '97

> Try RasMol, it will work on any system, and there is a plug in for just > about every platform (EVEN the Acorn, if there are still any acorn users > out there!). Yep, there are Acorns in the undergrowth, and you should see Rasmol go on a StrongArm. Sorry I just couldn't resist the plug! ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by RICHARD SINGER 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

I had a look at Active Labs site this lunchtime (13:30 GMT) and found it straightforward to use. The applet(s) loaded in a few seconds and I had the pKa, logP and B.P. of acetone amd acetic acid inside five minutes including figuring out the structure drawing functions. I was impressed and for one would like to see more of this type of thing on the web. As for >> NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. well, what's so unusual about that? This is the WWW we're talking about - waiting 5 or 10 minutes to download simple html is not unusual. (not on this side of the Altantic anyway) We shouldn't get unrealistic in our expectations of things on the web - its unreliable - who would do a live WWW demo before an audience and with no safety net for example? ----------------------------------------- Dr Richard Singer School of Applied Chemistry Kingston University Penrhyn Road Surrey KT1 2EE UK Tel 0181 547 2000 ext 2471 FAX 0181 547 7562 ----------------------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by Jonathan W. Steed 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

>> Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of >> structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. >> The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is >> forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are >> expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing >> happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic >> structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just >> described above. >> >> On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is >> going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts >> me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon >> that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will >> return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, >> my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically >> - minutes. > >I've been reading a bit about Java, and it seems a simple band-aid >would be for programmer's themselves to write such a busy signal >into their code. It wouldn't prevent the delays, but would prevent >the lack of communication. I had a go at this at around 11 am London time (before all the American users are up!) and it took about 30s to load up (Pentium 133, Netscape 3.0 gold), which I was okay having been pre-warned. You can tell its loading because the Netscape tells you its still up to something. It all looked excellent and worked smoothly right up to the point when Itried to actually do anything, like calculate an NMR spectrum or get a pKa value, and then I got the message "form is empty" or somesuch, in spite of the clock ticking away cheerfully for an hour or so (while I went off for tea). I tried a complex macrocycle first and then I tried ethanol, with equally unexciting results. In spite of this total failure to be useful however, I was impressed with the system's potential, if not its current state of realisation. I will be back for more! Jon Steed. Dr. Jonathan W. Steed Department of Chemistry, King's College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS, UK. Tel: +44 (0)171 873 2117, Fax: +44 (0)171 873 2810 e-mail: j.steed(a)kcl.ac.uk Web site: HTTP://CRAC3.CH.KCL.AC.UK/KCLCHEM/SUPRAMOL.HTM ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Profiles
by David Bradley Science Writer 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

I hope this isn't out of place but I am looking for scientists in Europe (incl UK of course) who rely on computers for their work and who would be interested in being profiled for a specialist computing magazine. If you are interested please get in touch directly. Thanks in advance Dave Bradley -------------------------------------------------------- | David Bradley Science Writer | | Bradley(a)enterprise.net | | Tel/Fax +44 1223 440834 (Intl) | | Tel/Fax 01223 440834 (UK) | | | | http://homepages.enterprise.net/bradley/bradhome.html | -------------------------------------------------------- ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Re: Comments Re Active Labs demo
by Donovan C. Haines 05 Feb '97

05 Feb '97

> Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of > structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. > The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is > forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are > expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing > happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic > structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just > described above. > > On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is > going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts > me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon > that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will > return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, > my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically > - minutes. I've been reading a bit about Java, and it seems a simple band-aid would be for programmer's themselves to write such a busy signal into their code. It wouldn't prevent the delays, but would prevent the lack of communication. In fact, if there are any Java programmers reading this, perhaps they could write a generic busy signal and distribute it. Also, I went to the page and everything clipped along just fine (8:00 am CST on a pentium 133 running Windows 95 with Netscape 3.0 gold). I couldn't find a button for aromatics, though. Am I just blind or does someone know of a reason it would not show up on my system? Java works fine, but do I need to download an extension? -Donovan C. Haines GTA, Chemistry Department The Wichita State University ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Comments Re Active Labs demo
by timp＠vt.edu 03 Feb '97

03 Feb '97

Henry found the URL listed below interesting. I found it to be another telling example of the incredibly overblown puffery surrounding Java scripts. If this is an example of what Java can/will deliver, it will never find acceptance in my corner of the world. The most glaring short-coming of this technology is that it fails to provide any indication of when it is active vs when it is waiting for input. That, coupled with rather slow network connections in most cases, dooms it to failure in its current mode. Example: From the opening screen window, which looks like some kind of structure drawing program, I clicked on the right button labeled aromatics. The button depressed, then NOTHING HAPPENED FOR 30 SECONDS. That is forever when you are sitting in front of a computer screen and are expecting some response. Then a new window opened - blank - and nothing happened for about 10 seconds. Finally, I got a menu of aromatic structures. Then I clicked on one of them. Repeat the experience just described above. On my Apple system, when I supply input to an application, and there is going to be a significant delay in response, the system/application alerts me to be patient by showing a clockface, hour glass, or some other icon that indicates the system is busy, but it knows I am waiting and will return a response as soon as it can. When I supply input to a Java applet, my cursor disappears and then nothing happens for seconds or more typically - minutes. Then, several mouse clicks later, the applet starts responding, but usually it is responding to a state that existed several minutes ago, not the state that exists now. When I see this delayed response, my reaction is - Hey, maybe it is working now - so I click again to try to do what I initially began. But the result is merely repeated. The applet has to start again, my cursor disappears, there is no indication of what, if anything is going on, or how long it might be before I should expect a response. Reading through the E-mail comments suggests others are similarly frustrated. Most of the developer responses take the form - please allow time time for the application to load, response may be slow due to loading delays, etc. Please, people, get real. This is not a viable system in its present state. The only thing you are doing by showing off such crippled examples is convincing me not to believe anything I hear about Java. Others may have similar responses. Tim Pickering Virginia Tech =============>> >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 22:08:38 GMT >Reply-To: h.rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk >Originator: chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk >Sender: chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk >Precedence: bulk >From: "Rzepa, Henry" <h.rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk> >To: Multiple recipients of list <chemweb(a)ic.ac.uk> >Subject: Active Labs demo >X-Comment: Chemistry Webmasters Discussion list > >This is an interesting URL for client/server based Java chemistry >applications > >http://www.acdlabs.com/activelab/ > >If anyone has come across similar environments, do please post this >list. > > >Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; >rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. >URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ > > >----- >chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. >Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ >To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; >unsubscribe chemweb >List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk) > ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Habanero client/server stuff with Java
by Jan Labanowski 02 Feb '97

02 Feb '97

> This is an interesting URL for client/server based Java chemistry > applications While it is not exactly Chemistry (the stuff is centered around the NCSA HDF format), you may have a look also at Habanero (not that I in any way do endorsing here). http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Habanero/Release Jan Labanowski jkl(a)osc.edu ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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Active Labs demo
by Rzepa, Henry 02 Feb '97

02 Feb '97

This is an interesting URL for client/server based Java chemistry applications http://www.acdlabs.com/activelab/ If anyone has come across similar environments, do please post this list. Dr Henry Rzepa, Dept. Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk; Tel (44) 171 594 5774; Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. URL: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/ ----- chemweb: A list for Chemical Applications of the Internet. Archived as: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemweb/ To unsubscribe, send to listserver(a)ic.ac.uk the following message; unsubscribe chemweb List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (rzepa(a)ic.ac.uk)

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